Mez
[Mary-Anne Breeze] has been progressively described as one of
"the original net.artists" who is "...without doubt one of the
most consistent, prolific, innovative artists working in new media
today. Mez's work with language has had a considerable effect
on the language of many.". The impact of her unique net.wurks
[constructed via her pioneering net.language "mezangelle"] has
been paralleled with the work of Shakespeare, James Joyce, Emily
Dickinson, and e.e. cummings. Since 1995, she has exhibited extensively
via the internet and in "realtime" [e.g CTHEORY's Digital Dirt,
Prague's Goethe Institute, Digitarts '96, Experimenta Media Arts,
ISEA_97 Chicago, ARS Electronica_97, trAce, The Metropolitan Museum
Tokyo, SIGGRAPH_99&00, d>Art 00&01 and_hybridforms_01].
Mez is also a virtual conference jillaroo, co-moderator of the
Webartery Mailing list and freelance journalist. She is the 2001
Resident Artist at the WCG, has been awarded the 2001 VIF Prize
by the Humboldt-Universitat in Berlin, was shortlisted for the
prestigious 2001 Electronic Literature Organisation's Fiction
Award, and has just been awarded the JavaMuseums' Artist Of The
Year 2001 Award. http://www.hotkey.net.au/~netwurker.
Gonzalo
Frasca is a videogame researcher and designer at the Cartoon
Network. His main research interests are videogame theory, game
studies and simulations. Before joining the Cartoon Network,
he worked at CNN where he was Editor of Science and Technology
at CNNenEspañol.com. He has recently completed his MA Thesis
"Videogames of the Oppressed: Videogames as a means of critical
thinking and debate" at the Georgia Institute of Technology,
under the supervision of Dr. Janet Murray. The full text is
available at www.ludology.org.
Carlos
Henrique is a university teacher in Catholic University,
Belo Horizonte, Minas Gerais, Brazil. He says, "I made
my master degree abou hypertext and information on organizations.
My most recently research is about hyperfiction as a literary
genre. I wanna investigate which characteristics define hyperfiction
as a literary genre. This research is the first step of my candidature
to doctor's degree on UFMG, Brazil. I suggest you take a look
on www.facom.ufba.br.
This University has many on line courses about hyperfiction,
web journalism, cyberculture and others. This institution is
pioneer on discussions about web, culture on Internet, communications
and new media and hyperliterature on Brazil. Another good site
is www.pucsp.br/~cimid.
This site is a virtual centre for discussions about semiotics,
cyberspace and communications. Teachers, scientists and post-graduate
students disponibilize your projects and products on the areas
shown above. These two sites shows how is the research and production
on web and literature and web and communications on our country.
I'm sure there are many other sites like these, and hope discover
them.
Lisbeth
Klastrup is a ph.d. scholar at the IT-University in Copenhagen.
She holds a MA in Comparative Literature and a MA in Image Studies.
In her ph.d. project, she examines virtual worlds on the internet
as textual instances and discusses how to write stories for
these environments. She has written articles and papers on interactive
reading, multiuser performances, computer games and virtual
worlds. Initiator and organiser of the conference "Computer
Games and Digital Textualities" in Copenhagen, March 2001.
Suggested
links include: www.afsnitp.dk
(online supplement to a very good physical bookshop for Danish
lyrics. Various articles and projects online) www.menneske.dk
(menneske=man as in mankind) (a network "city" hosting both
on & off-line poetry, collaboration btw 8 artists) www.poesi.dk
(site for off-line poetry mags, but also online stuff, incl.
Digt in Flux (Digt i Flux)) De
ubrugelige (=The Useless) A crimestory in several parts,
online with a point system to enable you to get access to the
various parts. Nielsen
Litteratur Information,
Klaus
Høeck - hulledigte (hole poems), Arne
Herløv Petersen's homepage (Danish fiction writer who has
also tried writing online, including the open hypertext "Myrenes
liv" (The Life of Ants).
Susana
Pajares Tosca is finishing a PhD thesis on Hypertext and
Literature in the Complutense University of Madrid, Spain. Susana
has been a visiting researcher at Brown University, Oxford University
and Texas A&M University. She has talked and published extensively
on hypertext, computer games and cyberculture both in Spain
and abroad. She has served in various international conference
program committees, including the ACM Hypertext conferences
and the AACE Webnet conferences. As the editor of "Hipertulia",
she has worked on the first Spanish digital literary magazine,
Especulo, since it appeared five years ago. She has recently
been appointed Hypertext Theme Editor in the Journal of Digital
Information of the University of Southampton. This year she
has received the ACM Ted Nelson Newcomer Award for her paper
"A Pragmatics of Links."
Inna
Kouper is a research assistant at the Institute of Sociology,
Russian Academy of Science. She was invited to the Institute
of Sociology as an expert of Internet and hypertext (from the
humanities, not technical point of view) and worked as a content
provider of Internet sociological portal. She studied hypertext
and hypertext forms of knowledge (as a base of Internet and
most electronic texts) and wrote her graduate thesis at the
Institute for Information on Social Sciences and Humanities,
Russian Academy of Sciences (INION RAN). Her thesis title is
"Hypertext as a form of social knowledge organization."
E-media
in Russia
* How are people engaging with new media? What are the particular
concerns?
The situation in Russia has dramatically changed for last two
decades. Computers, networks, Internet became part of our life.
Russia is very big so I can't speak about the whole country.
I'm going to speak about big cities because most of electronic
infrastructure is there. In big cities, all of new technologies
are used and they are well represented in Internet. Universities,
libraries, museums, different institutions provide people with
electronic services. The number of people engaged with Internet
is growing. According to researches of "Monitoring.ru"
group the audience of Internet may reach 18 million at the end
of 2001.
*
What electronic art and media events are taking place in your
country?
The latest event I've heard about was Moscow International On-line
Festival, July 2001, http://focom.www.ru
It was an exhibition of electronic art and design, which is
distributed on- and off-line. Some events might be called permanent
as well as they are represented in the Web. Galleries, exhibitions,
forums dedicated to e-media … Though electronic art is
a kind of synthetic art I would divide highly visual from mostly
(hyper)textual. Russian mentality is more textual so mostly
e-media are used to create different kind of texts. There are
competitions in electronic poetry and prose; some web-sites
just give space for electronic writing. Different groups of
enthusiasts conduct projects of digitizing paper materials,
mostly textual materials. Electronic art is not so widely spread,
though there are some interesting places like at http://www.ix-art.mix.ru/gallery.htm
or http://www.artfor.ru/opara/projects.htm.
Another interesting event is "search championship".
People from any part of Russia can take part in searching the
Web with certain tools. They must find particular materials
in particular period with minimum of iterations.
*
Are there any great websites, journals, weblogs etc. in your
language and country?
First, I'd like to mention the site http://www.russianculture.ru/
dedicated to Russian culture in different aspects. Site is in
English and in Russian.
Also, there are many literary sites like http://www.litera.ru/
http://www.zhurnal.ru, http://www.vavilon.ru.
Some journals are multisubject like http://www.russ.ru,
http://www.nns.ru.
I wouldn't call any website or journal great because electronic
sphere is too young and we don't have enough examples to compare
and to create a hierarchy of values. For the moment we usually
compare electronic materials with established paper analogs.
Anyway now e-media cover all spheres of our life and anything
you could ever imagine is represented in Internet and in Russian
Internet.
*
Are electronic media appearing in schools and in colleges?
There is a federal program of computerizing schools and
colleges but unfortunately, it is still a program. It goes very
slowly. The situation is much better in universities. As I said
most of them have web-sites, big universities connected into
united network.
* How are people finding out about electronic media in your
country?
We can divide people into several groups: advanced users, simply
users, those-who-know-something, those-who-heard-something,
never-heard, hostiles. All these groups have there own concerns
and arguments for their position. I think that bigger groups
are simply users and those-who-heard-something. Simply users
spend part of their life in Internet and don't stop to think
whether it good or bad. They just use it like a telephone or
a car. They got used to it and are not excited anymore. Those-who-heard-something
try to define their position. They've heard that there are new
media, that it might be useful but they are afraid a little
bit. May be they've seen computer once or even surfed through
Internet with help of advanced or simply user. Those-who-heard-something
still don't know whether to be excited or not. Simultaneously
they believe e-media can make them happy and don't know how.
I can speak a lot about people engaging with new media. It is
very interesting psychological and sociological problem.
Lucio
Agra is a poet and performer, with a PhD in Communication
and Semiotics by Pontificia Universidade Catolica de Sao Paulo.
He is the author of Selva Bamba (poems, 1994). Works in performance
and poetry include Ursonate - Sonata Primordial based on Kurt
Schwitters' poem. Nowadays, he is working simultaneously in
two projects using low-tech software ( Ultramar and Explosao
sem som (Explosion without sound)) to be released in CD-Rom
until the end of 2001.
To
speak about computers and digital world in Brazil is to speak,
at least, about the net, itself. I collected some statistics
in order to give an idea of what´s going on here. First it is
necessary to say that, as usual in Latin American countries,
the contradictions are frequent. We are 167, 7 million people
living in the same wide territory. But only 6, 55% have access
to computers and Internet. It corresponds to 11 million, from
whom 4.180 are from the high classes, 5.810 from the middle
and 1.210 from the lower social classes (what we use to call
classes C and D).
Nevertheless,
it is precisely in these classes the use of the net is growing,
according to Antonio Rosa Neto, president of the AMI (Associacao
de Midia Interativa Interactive Media Association). This is
probably because it has been five years since these social classes
started to consume, i. e, to have at least a little amount of
money to buy things out of survival items, for they were barely
considered as citizens before. Maybe it also has to do with
some dates: coincidentally, 1995 is not only the year Brazil
starts to connect the net (it is the year Brazil installed its
first international backbone), but it is also the year that
the program of new currency money took place (with the change
to the currency named “real”).
I
am absolutely not pro-government, but I shall say that a lot
of progress was made since then, with the end of protectionism
against foreign computer industries and the beginning of a mentality
pro-computer in education. But it is also necessary to say that
it has happened more because of international pressures, than
because of a sincere authorities effort. Now that computers
are doing 20 years old, it is almost impossible to ignore the
reality.
In the greatest centers and main cities of the country, to know
how to use these machines is a fundamental issue for those who
intend to enter in the job market. And this happens because
the digital world tends to take great spaces in the media debate.
Today no one big newspaper in Brazil fail to have its own web-site
and part of them tried to develop it as portals of information
(such is the case of www.uol.com.br
from Folha de Sao Paulo, and www.globo.com
from the Globo organizations, comprehending Rede Globo, the
most famous TV network and the newspaper O Globo). Much of the
sites are in Portuguese but most of them also have specific
areas in English.
On
the other hand, the region of the country that concentrates
the main cities (Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Belo Horizonte
), the southwest region, is also the one that concentrates the
biggest part of schools connected to Internet. The numbers for
the other regions are almost insignificant, when compared. It
seems that the Ministry of Education is informed about the situation.
The
information data gathered here is based in a report published
by Folha de Sao Paulo, one of the biggest Brazilian newspapers.
It informs that the Minister of Education, Paulo Renato, uses
to tell a story about the Brazilian situation in e-learning:
He visited a primary school where the computers where locked
by the director because he had fear to be robbed. The proportion
of teachers that know how to work with computers do not surpass
the number of 15%.
But,
on the other hand, the students, themselves, use to be more
akin to computers than their own teachers. The report I mentioned
above, gives highlights to the story of one school that opened
its computer room for the first time ever and the students gave
classes on Internet to their teachers. I can prove it with myself:
I give classes in a private institution, a college, where the
undergraduate students are increasingly more experts in computers
than ever. But the professors do not correspond to this profile
so the institution started a tutorial program in post-graduation
level to make the training of its docents. I would say that
I am part of the very small minority that has some information
about the digital world. I am one of the few that has a page
hosted in the college’s web site (www.faap.br/comunicacao/comunic/index.htm)
Unfortunately neither the college’s web site, nor my page has
a version in English.
Some
addresses of the main Brazilian enterprises in the internet,
most of all connected to great newspapers and part of them sharing
capital with other multinational Latin-American Internet corporations:
Universo on-line,
Terra,
O site,
Globo, and
Zip Net.
Another
interesting phenomena is that the major part of the institutions
that deal with culture, seem to perceive the importance of Internet.
Some of the most interesting web-sites that have to do with
museums and art institutes are: Itaú
Cultural, Bienal
de São Paulo, (this is from the 24th Biennal, one of the
most interesting ones.), Museu
de Arte Moderna de Sao Paulo, and Centro
Cultural Banco do Brasil (Rio and São Paulo).
Some
events were promoted by these institutions mentioned above.
One of them, perhaps the most important in e-art, in Brazil,
is File (International Festival of Electronic Arts www.file.org.br)
currently appearing at Museu da Imagem e do Som de Sao Paulo
(Museum for Image and Sound in Sao Paulo). But there is also
some university institutes that are very connected to this universe
such as Unicamp (University of Campinas, which was qualified
by Wired, some years ago, as the “Brazilian Stanford) www.iar.unicamp.br.
They hold a multimedia post-graduation program that is very
advanced.
Another
institution that pioneered the research with new tech, media
and art is the Catholic University of Sao Paulo (PUC-SP), particularly
through the post-graduate program (MD and PhD) in Communication
and Semiotics. From the web site (www.pucsp.br/~cos-puc)
there are lots of projects like Interlab, based on VRML technology
and hypermedia, Budetlie (research over 20s avant-garde art
and contemporary media) cimid (trans-disciplinary group of research
over new media) and others.
It
is also remarkable that the city of Sao Paulo always receive
some of the great names of the field of discussion in new media
such as Pierre Lévy, Nicholas Negroponte. Marvin Minsky, Edgar
Morin and others, aside from events like ISEA. Popularizing
the computers in Brazil is nowadays the great challenge.
But
it faces some barriers: first, obviously, money. Brazil could
invest more than US$ 1 billion in e-learning and education if
it have not to achieve the goals of IMF, which have been causing
great problems to country’s development. But it is also a big
business and some are getting profits with it like the popular
TV mc Silvio Santos who runs a big business comprehending a
TV network (SBT, the second major), credit services, lotteries,
prize programs and others. He started a few years ago a TV program
called Show do Milhao (Million Show) that gives prizes in contests.
Now he has associated his brand to a so called popular computer
that can be paid in 36 times of R$ 90,00 (around 35 US). It
seems that 16,7 thousand machines were sold in 45 days. The
field of e-learning have been proving to be an ever growing
business for there is virtually no institution in the southwest
of the country that still do not have a web site and most of
them bases its image in a marketing strategy linked to computers
and the net.
The
newspaper journalist Gilberto Dimenstein has been making a diagnosis
to this situation in Brazil. Some foreground avant-garde
poets has been moving to the net. It is the case of Augusto
de Campos, Arnaldo
Antunes and also popular musicians such as Caetano
Veloso and Gilberto
Gil. In the last one, Gil uses the Portuguese word “sitio”
instead of site, in English, to designate his place in the web.
“Sitio” is a word that means not only a place, any place, but
also a small farm.
The
following is a list of related links to accompany your reading:
- Mez's
home page
- Hipertulia
- Especulo
- Ludology.org
a videogamekitchen that includes Gonzalo Frasca's MA Thesis
"Videogames of the Oppressed: Videogames as a means of
critical thinking and debate" at the Georgia Institute
of Technology"
- E-media
in Denmark
- E-media
in Russia
-
E-media
in Brazil
- portals
of information: Folha
de Sao Paulo, and Globo
organization. Much of the sites are in Portuguese
but most of them also have specific areas in English.
- www.facom.ufba.br.
This university has many on line courses about hyperfiction,
web journalism, cyberculture and others. This institution
is pioneer on discussions about web, culture on Internet,
communications and new media and hyperliterature on Brazil.
- Another
good site is www.pucsp.br/~cimid.
This site is a virtual centre for discussions about semiotics,
cyberspace and communications. Teachers, scientists and
post-graduate students disponibilize your projects and
products on this areas shows above.
- Fundação
Armando Alvares Penteado, a private college (Portuguese
only).
- Main
Brazilian enterprises in the internet:
Universo on-line : www.uol.com.br
Terra: www.terra.com.br
O site: www.osite.com.br
Globo: www.globo.com
Zip Net: www.zip.net
- Museums
and art institutes are:
Itaú Cultural: www.itaucultural.com.br
Bienal de São Paulo: http://www.uol.com.br/bienal/24bienal/index.htm
(this is from the 24th Biennal, one of the most interesting
ones)
Museu de Arte Moderna de Sao Paulo: www.mam.org.br
Centro Cultural Banco do Brasil (Rio and São Paulo):
http://www.cultura-e.com.br
- File
(International Festival of Electronic Arts www.file.org.br)
currently appearing at Museu da Imagem e do Som de Sao
Paulo (Museum for Image and Sound in Sao Paulo)
- Unicamp
(University of Campinas), which was qualified by Wired,
some years ago, as the “Brazilian Stanford) www.iar.unicamp.br
- Catholic
University of Sao Paulo (PUC-SP) (www.pucsp.br/~cos-puc).
Lots of projects like Interlab, based on VRML technology
and hypermedia, Budetlie (research over 20s avant-garde
art and contemporary media) cimid (trans-disciplinary
group of research over new media) and others.
- The
newspaper journalist Gilberto Dimenstein has been making
a diagnosis to this situation in Brazil and the results
can be found in: http://www.uol.com.br/aprendiz/index.html.
- Augusto
de Campos
- Arnaldo
Antunes
- Caetano
Veloso
- Gilberto
Gil
- Investigative
Poetics, an interview with Ed Sanders
- Talan
Memmott's
work,
- Rob
Wittig's work
- E-poetry
2001
- Neil
Hennessey's work
- ubuweb
- Geniwaite
- Divergence:
resources for Electronic Writers
- Australian
Network for Art and Technology
- trAce
- The
post-grad
program in communication and semiotics in Sao Paulo. From
there you can find some works, including things made about
Russian art
- Http://www.nunatinnit.net/en/forum/index.htm
- A
3 language site - English, Finnish, and Swedish at http://www.migratingmemories.net
- trAce's
home project
- The
Unknown
-
Start log: Sunday, August 19, 2001 2:51:53 pm CDT
Lucio_Agra
quietly enters.
Deena
says, "Hi Lucio,"
Deena
says, "I am ill and am going to lie down for about a half
hour..."
Sue
arrives.
Sue
says, "Hi all."
Sue
says, "Am ready and waiting for the start."
Sue
says, "Just checking in"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Hi, Sue. I also came a little bit early."
Sue
says, "Nice to meet you"
Sue
says, "I am doing other things as well but just wanted
to reassure Deena I am here, since she is unwell."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Think she's idle for a moment but will come back
soon."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Hey, I saw your picture before! I gave a refresh
in the look button and there you was. Your hair looks great!"
Sue
bows gracefully.
Sue
says, "Christy Sheffield Sanford did it for me :)"
Sue
says, "Are you going to do a description?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "You can see some data about me at http://www.deenalarsen.net/0819.htm#lucio. Sorry, I don't know
if it is exactly what you mean. I am not only a non-native speaker
but also not familiar to procedures in Lingua MOO."
Editor's Note: This URL was for the chat,
and the information is now in this log.
Sue
says, "You are doing very well Lucio."
Deena
says, "Hi Sue, Lucio--I'm going to rest for a bit more."
Sue
says, "Hi Deena - how are you feeling? - ah ok."
Deena
says, "Not so good. I don't think I'll make it through
the chat..."
Sue
says, "Oh dear".
Lucio_Agra
says, "BTW Deena, could you after send me an e-mail teaching
me how to build a space at "Third Dimension"?"
Lucio_Agra
Lucio offers some "Caipirinhas" direct from Brazil.
tomb
arrives. Tomb says, "Anyone here?"
Sue
says, "Yes - hi."
Tomb
says, "Tomb is Tom Bell"
Sue
says, "Oh I thought you were a crypt!"
Sue
says, "Nice to see you Tom."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Hi, Tomb. I also made the same analogy."
Tomb
says, "Coming back from the dead."
Sue
says, "Welcome home."
Tomb
says, "Hi, all."
Everdeen
arrives.
Sue
says, "Hi Ev."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Hi, Everdeen."
Lizbeth
emerges pixel by pixel, looking slightly blurry.
Everdeen
says, "Hi Sue, Lucio."
Sue
says, "Hi Lizbeth."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Hi, Lizbeth. Good pixels bring u."
Lizbeth
says, "Hi Sue."
Everdeen
spritzes screen and wipes.
Everdeen
says, "Hello Lizbeth."
Lizbeth
says, "Hi Lucio, Everdeen."
Lizbeth
wags her tail happily.
Lucio_Agra
Lucio offer more caipirinhas to newcomers
Sue
says, "what is this Lucio? "
Everdeen
whaps her tale haggily.
Sue
says, "I am intrigued!"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Caipirinha is a beverage composed with lemon, sugar
cane, and cachassa"
Everdeen
says, "Very refreshing Lucio!"
Sue
says, "And what is cachassa? This sounds delicious"
Lucio_Agra
says, "It is a fermented beverage made of sugar cane. It
is the most known drink in Brazil"
Sue
says, "Well Lucio, thank you, I'll enjoy this!"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Marginal Commentary: Caipirinha is also the name
of a record label created in NY by Brazilian/American artist
Lara Lee which produces electronic music."
Kaspark and
][mez][ arrive with hellos all around.
Sue
says, "He mez haven't I seen you somewhere before>?!"
][mez][
says, "Eheh possibly Sue;)"
][mez][
says, "Hi Lucio, great 2 type with u."
Everdeen
says, "Mez...the first thing I thought when I saw you today...was
how self-affirming and openly emotional!"
Everdeen
grins
][mez][
says, "Really Everdeen?"
Everdeen
says, "Since I first parsed yr [] according to the first
use I ever saw of them in chat." Everdeen says, "As
a type of hug....(stiff-armed British, but still)."
][mez][
says, "Ahh I c."
Everdeen
says, "So there you are...hugging yourself and opening
for a chain."
Everdeen
grins
][mez][
says, "That's x.cell.ent, a great n.terpretation.."
Everdeen
says, "And from the collaborative heart!"
][mez][
slivers in2 act][2,scene1].ion
Everdeen
silvers quietly rocking in her chair
][mez][
says, "That's my aim, yes...2 tri N n.tice others in2 the
][collaborative][ open...."
Everdeen
says, "Mez, and for...both successful collaborations....and
hugs....there needs to be trust and acceptance"
tomb
says, "Deena, can I add Investigative Poetics to the topic
list here? I just got a copy. It's something Ed Sanders did.
Or do you already have a full sched."
Editor's
note: there is an interview at EdSandersInterview.html
Sue
says, "Tom, Deena isn't too well - we might have to soldier
on without her"
Sue
says, "But we certainly have a full schedule!"
tomb
says, "Sorry to hear this about Deena"
Everdeen
picks up a khaki cap in preparation. Everdeen looks to mez for
her soldering iron.
][mez][
says, "N.deed everdeen"
Sue
says, "Thank you Lucio"
Everdeen
thinks a get-well wish into the log for Deena.
Deena
shakes into her seat...
Deena
says, "Thanks Ev :0"
Everdeen
smiles across room.
][mez][
hi.jacks][N jills][ EV's well-wishing code n tacks a self-replicating
healing line in2 the core
Everdeen
watches the code of wishing well start to shimmer and shine
and then explode into a shower of pennies...all copper bright.
Deena
takes the well-wishing code and gets stronger.
][mez][
says, "Yay!!:)"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Seems some of the invited are still missing: Carlo
Henrique, Susana, Gonzalo, Inna."
Deena
says, "Susana Tosca is stuck in the airport, so she won't
be able to join us..."
Deena
says, "Well, we will go on with who we have--thanks for
coming, all :)"
][mez][
shunts a copper bright in2 an EV lite n switches the face 2
a grand n.terface, all whurring n chrome.hic....
][mez][
says, "No prob Deena, nice 2 b here."
Frasca
arrives with hellos all around.
][mez][
says, "Helloha Frasca"
Sue
says, "Since Deena isn't too well today, I am going to
MC"
Everdeen
says, "Hello Frasca."
Deena
passes around Guiness beer to all the geniuses
Everdeen
hic^up^s and sips some more \caipirinha/
Sue
says, "So Deena can sit back and relax!"
Scott
R arrives.
Lucio_Agra
says, "Good idea Sue."
Everdeen
plumps a pillow and passes it to Deena.
Everdeen
sets a pitcher of margaritas on the table.
Deena
takes the pillow and the margaritas...
][mez][
says, "Now there's a drink, a margarita!!"
Sue
says, "Shall we begin by introducing ourselves?"
][mez][
offers Frasca a sip from the Lectronic Writing Round The World
Jug.
Sue
says, "No need to wait for others - just type in your intro
and it will appear."
Everdeen
says, "Everdeen Tree, Houston, Texas."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Lucio Agra, Sao Paulo, Brazil."
Scott_R
says, "Scott Rettberg, Chicago, Illinois."
Sue
says, "I am Sue Thomas, artistic director of trAce, Nottingham,
England."
][mez][
says, "][mez][:://global in d.sign an australian in geophysical
location."
Lizbeth
says, "Lisbeth Klastrup, Copenhagen, Denmark."
Frasca
says, ""Gonzalo Frasca, Uruguay but right now in Oregon"
"
tomb
says, "I'm a psychologist who has messed around with poetry
a bit and now I've become an activist. I also have a new granddaughter
named
Alexis with me today so I might be preoccupied at times."
Sue
says, "Thank you everyone!"
Sue
says, "Does anyone else have a grandchild to declare?!"
][mez][
says, "Heh, no."
Everdeen
looks down at twelve-year old cat lying on slippers.
Lucio_Agra
says, "Not even cats"
Sue
says, "Shall we begin with Deena's first question - how
are you engaging with new media? Lucio - would you like to start
us off?"
Margaret
arrives.
][mez][
says, "Helloah marg"
Margaret
says, "Ask"
Sue
says, "Lucio-- can you start us off by telling us how you
are engaging with new media in your work?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Ok, I am trying to do something in this field since
1995 when I got my first PC, a 486 SX 50 and perhaps I still
have some of the vices from that time."
Sue
says, "Go on."
Lucio_Agra
says, "I mean, since then most of the works I made tried
to use low tech engines, shareware programs and things like
that"
Sue
says, "So what os do you use now? win98?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Win 95 and Win Me. But I prefer the first."
tomb
says, "Lucio, I think it's important to continue some of
the low
tech
things that were done in the last few years and not get carried
away with new high tech stuff."
Sue
says, "Frasca - how about you? how are you engaging with
new media?"
Sue
says, "Oh I think we may have lost Frasca - mez?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Sure, that is what I mean, at least, tomb."
Frasca
says, "Well, mainly through videogame playing (lots of
it, lately. But I am also a videogame designer at Cartoon Network,
and I do videogame research (just got out from Georgia Tech,
where I did my research with Janet Murray), and I write about
videogame theory at ludology.org."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Games are cases that can be thought in the program
I meant."
tomb
says, "Frasca - what is ludology.org?"
Frasca
says, ""Ludology.org started as my personal research
blog, but I am working on turning it into a resource for videogame
research.Think of it as videogamekitchen ;)"
][mez][
says, "I suppose I'm trying less to n.gage with new media
and more 2 constantly re-d.fine it...x.amine the conventions
that technology has started to crystalize around and slowly
b.gin 2 errode and reconceptualize it according 2 a more active
dynamic....doing this via email performance pieces which utilize
the very grit of network communication and then c.ing wot i
can do with these in a more multimediaic format.."
Sue
says, "Mez, are you saying your work is more ABOUT the
medium than using it? Although of course you use it as well."
][mez][
says, "Sometimes i gear my projects that way...and sometimes
i do it unconsciously as well..."
Deena
pipes up and asks for URLs of the projects you guys are doing
Sue
says, "So what are your particular concerns in the projects
you're all doing?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Trying to do some results in e-poetry that can seem
consistent without using the tools that are more recommended."
Sue
says, "Lucio- so you are rebelling against the more popular
tools - can you say more about that?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "The more popular tools - I mean - Flash, Director,
etc. Instead I prefer to use Gif animators, Power Point etc.
Just to push these softwares to the limits they were not designed
for..."
tomb
says, "Popular tools become a problem for me when they
drive the work rather than the other way around."
Scott_R
says, "Seems like the about/using the network thread is
one that a lot of artists are picking up on. Talan
Memmott's work, even Rob
Wittig's, also have elements of that intertwinement."
Sue
says, "Yes Scott"
Lucio_Agra
says, "In fact I met a lot of people - including Deena
-that were interested in these matters at E-poetry
2001"
Sue
says, "Do you think the moment arises when the programming
becomes more important than the poetry?"
Sue
says, "In other words, which challenge do you most prefer
to wrestle with? (this to everyone)"
Lucio_Agra
says, "I would like to make a footnote: please apologize
my awful English. I also take some time to write down and make
a lot of mistakes so, please, be patient."
Sue
says, "Lucio you're doing really well!"
][mez][
says, "I think as the e-lit ][or net.wurk projects][ b.come
more prevalent across the web, that this n.herent ability ][4
creators][2 wurk in a commentary that seeks 2 comment on the
nature of medium itself becomes more regular..."
Lucio_Agra
says, "No, Sue, I think poetry is more important. but that
is because I try to use the tools in its limits to subvert,
in a certain
way, what it denies to poetry itself."
Tomb
says, "The programming is the poetry often, Sue, much like
with print poetry these days in the USA, I think."
Sue
says, "I hoped you would say that - I agree, Tom - and
after all, a lot of poetic form is a kind of programming."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Right, tomb. Take Neil
Hennessey's work for example, at ubuweb."
][mez][
says, "Sue, I don't think there is a moment when the programming
b.comes more imp than the poetry UNLESS u consciously wurkthat
in or n.terprete it in terms of intracting ][a viewer POV][...
of cc:ourse playing with this dynami.c][onfusion][ is always
fun..."
The
housekeeper arrives to remove Kaspark and Deena.
Editor's
personal note: I really wish I could have been at this chat.
Ev's and all's good wishes helped a great deal and I recovered
after about a week.
Sue
says, "I am thinking of problem-solving I guess."
Sue
says, "And of course it occurs in both writing and programming."
][mez][
says, "Sure."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Yes, Sue, it is a problem solving situation in a
very specific area, poetry."
Sue
says, "Deena's next question is about what is happening
in your countries right now.."
Tomb
says, "Baby cries. I respond. Later?"
Frasca
says, "My first priority is to work on making the medium
less invisible, to highlight its ideology. I am interested in
exploring the limits of simulation and in order to do this,
the medium has to be ripped apart."
Sue
says, "For example, Mez, you have a new organisation for
new media writing in Oz..?"
Editor's
note: Australia
Scott_R
says, "Yes, how is that going?"
][mez][
says, "Sure sue, it's called divergence, and we're currently
trying to settle on terminology n.volving electronic literature...one
label that we've semi-decided on is "wordwerk"...."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Great term, mez. "
Everdeen
says, "I like "workwerk" mez."
][mez][
says, "Its a slow process, Jenny Weight has been appointed
a position of one of our leading new media organisations ][ANAT][
and is fighting valiantly 2 get recognition and funding..."
Editor's
Note: I believe that this refers to Geniwaite
and Australian
Network for Art and Technology
Helen
arrives, like a train from Platform 9 and three-quarters with
hellos all around
][mez][
says, "we had a fantastic debate centering around various
terms that seek 2 n.capsulate the current state of elit in Oz
][and elsewhere, but pri.marily here][. wordwerk was the result."
Everdeen
says, "Mez, what is the extent of interest/work/approaches/geospace
intended to be included in divergence?"
Scott_R
says, "Geni seemed very dedicated building recognition
of elit as an art form and to building a more coherent community
in Australia."
][mez][
says, "She is scott, she's great:)"
][mez][
says, "EVD>> its started as a mailing list and is
beginning to co.ah.lesce around this, but we're considering
produ.cc:ing an ezine & dead tree publication, as well as
setting up collaborative wordwerks in an online space/gallery..."
Sue
says, "Lucio how about in Brazil - there is a lot going
on there I imagine"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Sue, Part of what I would say is in http://www.deenalarsen.net/0819.htm. But there
is, yes."
Sue
says, "Can everyone see that?"
Everdeen
says, "Yes Sue"
Lucio_Agra
says, "On the other hand I would say that e-lit is just
at its very beginning here. There's more about e-art in general"
][mez][
says, "Lucio do u use the term net.art at all?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Yes, mez, sure"
Scott_R
says, "I think it's very interesting that you're planning
on tying in a print publication to divergence. "
The
housekeeper arrives to remove ][mez][.
Helen
says, "whoops..."
tomb
says, "Mez, say some more about dead tree publication and
the list"
Lucio_Agra
says, "It seems Mez is out for a while, tomb"]
[.mez][
quietly enters.
][.mez][
says, "Oops sorry"
Everdeen
looks sadly at the empty space occupied by mez....then brightens!
Lucio_Agra
says, "OOPS, sorry. Here she is again"
][.mez][
says, "I'm back now, can u re-ask tomb?"
tomb
says, "Dead tree and elist info?"
][.mez][
shines a pulse of codelite 2wards EVD.
][.mez][
says, "Ahh okie, URL is: http://members.ozemail.com.au/~geniwate/"
Everdeen
smiles back...and totally forgives all the deadtree mentions
][.mez][
says, "Ooh"
][.mez][
says, "Sorry EVD, didn't think of that:)"
Everdeen
laughs and winks
][.mez][
gri][t][ns
Scott_R
says, "Can you say something about the idea behind the
multiple media-idea?"
Sue
says, "Can I raise the question of language? "
Sue
says, "Lucio, Frasca, mez and lizbeth - can you speak about
language please? Do you use multiple languages in your work?
Do you think American English will remain the no 1 language
of the web?"
][.mez][
says, "Well, not multiple language as such, i tend to mangle
various ones though;)"
tomb
says, "Language is intriguing as I can talk in Russian
with Inna but we seem to communicate better in English"
Sue
says, "Inna?"
Scott_R
says, "Also on language -- Seems like the E-Poets 01 fest
was one of the few times that not only cross-cultural but cross-lingual
communication was going on in the elit world. I have this sense
that it's still a pretty powerful barrier."
Frasca
says, ""About language, I would say that we should
realize that the computer's potential is in simulation, not
representation. While simulation has been always present in
our culture-through toys or scientific simulation and modeling-
we now have tools for modeling more complex systems. We have
to unlearn representation in order to explore the potential
of simulation. I think this 'language' representational issue
is top priority."
][.mez][
says, "Frasca I couldn't agree more re: simulation"
Sue
says, "I guess that written texts can merge language in
ways that spoken text does less easily."
][.mez][
says, "Seriously i assume that am english will dominate
in terms of business orientation and commercially, but in small
pockets or artistic communities online i guess there is an x.tended
space for the adoption and celebration of other languages...
"
tomb
says, "English has become the international language of
money. I would think poets could find a better one?"
Scott_R
says, ":) gudone tomb"
Scott_R
says, "Maybe Esperanto"
Lucio_Agra
says, "It is a dream, tomb, but the reality is that we
would have to take lots of time to learn it"
Lucio_Agra
says, "I am not a programmer so languages are difficult
for me. Wish I could understand a little bit of Java. About
the verbal language.. well, you know, there is not too much
people that read Portuguese, so sometimes I try to make some
translations."
Sue
says, "I wonder if multilingualism goes alongside multitasking?"
Molde
Guest arrives.
Everdeen
says, "Or perhaps an expansion of English with continual
folding in from other languages"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Besides, English is being transformed in a patchwork
of all languages, like Everdeen says"
Margaret
says, "But that is/has already been happening Everdeen
in English"
Sue
says, "I understand that in the US. Spanish is becoming
the first language."
Frasca
says, ""Spanish is under mutation in the States. If
it ever becomes an official language, it will definitively be
different from traditional Spanish."
][.mez][
says, "Frasca>>can u describe this mutation?"
Everdeen
says, "Frasca, which are you identifying as traditional
Spanish?"
Everdeen
says, "After all English is no more than 60% anything!"
][.mez][
says, "EVD>>that's a liddle like wot i aim 2 do,
but with a heavy splice of code lang conventions..."
tomb
says, "I know that there are people who won't participate
in discussions like this because they are conducted for the
most part in English."
Everdeen
says, "Margaret, precisely my point....with natural languages
so far"
Everdeen
says, "And with mez pushing into siliconated ones!"
Lucio_Agra
says, "I think it is a great question, mainly because of
translation problems in poetry."
][.mez][
says, "4 sure lucio"
Margaret
says, "How would you define siliconated language- pure
number?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "For example, I would think about the problems of
translation with mez texts... It would be a great challenge"
Sue
says, "I cant imagine how mez."
][.mez][
says, "No marg, more an organic mix of techno-flavoured
and visceral based elements..."
Everdeen
says, "When I taught Latin at university, one of my officemates
told me there were actually some 17 or so recognized Spanishes"
Sue
says, "Who's work would translate can you mez?"
Margaret
says, "Right, Mez, then that is already happening in English."
][.mez][
says, "4 sure lucio, and in that translation would come
amazing potentialies 4 x.tended meaning curves...the meaning
loading r so loose in terms of english that mezangelle translated
would be even more so...."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Mez original way of writing is already a testimony
to these transformations"
Margaret
says, "Upload, dump, byte"
Margaret
says, "Etc"
][.mez][
says, "Yup marg"
Frasca
says, "Well, in Latin America, Spanish evolved through
the contact of native languages and other foreign tongues such
as French, English, Italian. In America, the evolution is different,
because it is not just borrowing isolated terms, but also structures
from American English""
Everdeen
says, "A constant evolution is going to be a factor in
any living language"
Helen
says, "Computer language is the language of men: abort,
crash, see Dale spender.."
Frasca
says, ""Anyway, I am not a sociolinguist ;)""
Everdeen
says, "Yes, Frasca, there are the differences in each situation,
even here in US we recognize many different Spanishes."
][.mez][
says, "EVD>>>absolutely"
Everdeen
smiles at Frasca
][.mez][
says, "Thx Frasca"
Everdeen
says, "Mez, one of the most surprising things to me is
that I'm no longer viewing as doomsday the death of the objective
case pronoun!"
Sue
says, "I am interested in what Tom said about people refusing
to take part in conversations which are in English. I don't
mean that rudely - I just want to know which are the other common
languages"
Sue
says, "Which language should we use to share information?"
tomb
says, "What about the many other languages, like Japanese?"
Sue
says, "Deena's next question is about recommendations -
can any of you recommend interesting work happening in your
countries? URLs can always go into the weblog."
Helen
shares a URL for trAce. (http://trace.ntu.ac.uk)
Scott_R
says, "There's also just the pure logistical problem of
pocket e-lit communities being unable to share work or even
know of each other's work. It's great that the UK, US, Aus communities
are working together and sort of expanding the discourse community.
But Russia, Italy, Brazil, France, etc. should be more in the
mix"
Helen
says, "Did anyone want to show a URL? The command is @url"
Lucio_Agra
shares a URL. (http://www.pucsp.br/~cos-puc)
Lucio_Agra
says, "That is the web site for the post-grad program in
communication and semiotics in Sao Paulo. From there you can
find some works, including things made about Russian art"
Sue
says, "Thank you Lucio"
Everdeen
says, "There was a proposal floated here in the US recently
that all high school students learn a basic amount of Japanese
(equivalent to approx. 100 characters I believe) in the way
that Latin used to be taught."
Sue
says, "What should we be learning to speak in?"
Everdeen
says, "I never heard of any development beyond the proposal
though"
][.mez][
says, "Helen>> i'm not sure i totally agree with
the language of men call....i agree that it can b, but that
a gradual shift is occuring in terms of re:appropriation and
re.x.amination in terms of a patriarchall][enge][y domianted
language base... "
Sue
says, "Tom, do you suggest Japanese?"
][.mez][
says, "Sue, we all should be speextyping in mezangelle!!!![joke]"
Sue
says, "Oh god I would be illiterate mez!"
Everdeen
says, "Mez, thinking back, the first sort of sign in common
use to my memory was the s/he"
Helen
says, "It certainly started as a male language.... I think
we should add more feminine terms -- I am trying to add "Pleat"
to the language of the net!"
Everdeen
says, "Helen? pleat =??"
Everdeen
says, "As in braid?"
Helen
says, "Pleat = a type of hyperlink"
Margaret
says, "This is one of the difficulties I fine - with the
aid of a dictionary I cam navigate round most romance language
sites but I would be lost in Arabic, Japanese or Chinese."
Scott_R
says, "That would be kinda tough. Japanese is hard."
][.mez][
says, "Eheh sue:)"
Everdeen
smkilometres at mez
][.mez][
says, "Yup EVD"
Sue
says, "So - which language should we use>?"
tomb
says, "I'm possibly suggesting that women could develop
a new language?"
Sue
says, "Seems to me that English remains the obvious choice"
][.mez][
says, "X.cellent helen, I'm also working 2 do this, it
all makes a difference"
Margaret
says, "I might at a stretch by learning the 'alphabets'
manage most Indo European languages. But why should we expect
Japanese, Arabs and Chinese to work in an Indo European grammar?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Sure, Mez, I think more, that English in itself
is something that is getting beyond any common understanding,
something that is the very centre of any natural lang."
Margaret
says, "But logically we should use a Chinese language as
there are more Chinese. Or are you suggesting commercial clout
is more important."
Margaret
says, "Chinese is better too because the written language
can be read by people who cannot understand each other's oral
languages"
Sue
says, "Isn't that twice as much to learn Margaret?"
tomb
says, "Chinese is also visual"
Margaret
says, "No, not for the Chinese"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Margaret, I think you have a great point, for Chinese
is an analogical language.. Could be very interesting to think
about a connection anna-digi"
Margaret
says, "Thanks Lucio-Agra"
Everdeen
says, "Characterized by?"
][.mez][
says, "Tomb>>wouldn't women developing their "Own"
language only seek to heighten the segreatation of language
rather than splice it in2 the dominate strain?"
][.mez][
says, "Sure Lucio, agreed"
Sue
says, "I had hoped that on the web we could transcend that
men/women thing :("
Sue
says, "Lets' not reinforce it with langauge!"
Everdeen
says, "Sue you mean the wo/men thing?"
Everdeen
winks
][.mez][
says, "Me 2 sue, me 2."
Sue
says, "whatever!"
Lucio_Agra
says, "For sure, Sue. I, for example, came from Mars!!!
;)"
Everdeen
laughs
Everdeen
says, "I am perhaps blessed by being viewed as a botanical"
Scott_R
says, "I think the cross-cultural outreach is probably
more important than the shared language which is logistically
difficult."
Sue
says, "And what gender are martians lucio? ;)"
Everdeen
says, "Sue, I read that as what gender are martinis!"
Everdeen
takes off glasses and wipes them clean.
Lucio_Agra
says, "Well, I would not say we are humans...;))"
Sue
says, "Yes Scott, and that outreach happens interestingly
on the web"
Sue
says, "In fact that will be one of the topics of our next
incubation conference"
tomb
says, "I only suggesting that women might want to lead
here. There would be no need to exclude men?"
Sue
takes a nongendered spivak martini
][.mez][
says, "How so Scott? as in how does a cross-cultural phen][w][omenon
][wo][manifest without a huge dependency on the lanuguage it
revolves around?"
][.mez][
says, "Ahh ok tomb, sorry i read 2 much in2 yr post."
Margaret
says, "Agreed Mez"
Sue
says, "Ok, we have 10 minutes left and i would like to
ask another of Deena's questions..."
Everdeen
listens
Sue
says, "How are people in your countries finding out about
electronic media?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Another point is: in 2001 we are still writing down
in a chat. It poses some questions to the way we connect worldwide"
Helen
has disconnected.
Sue
says, "'still' lucio? we've only just started a few years
ago!"
Scott_R
says, "Short answer it doesn't. But there are more possibilities
for shared spaces here. Simply looking over the fence and waving
is better than nothing."
Sue
says, "I like that Scott - looking over the fence and waving!"
Everdeen
picks up chainsaw and begins on fencepost
][.mez][
says, "Sue>> in oz its a gradual x.posure process....4
x.ample, in oct this year australian new media artists r x.hibiting
at brooklyn's academy of music....as part of a huge retrospective-type
x.hibition of australian art/culture in general..as well as
smaller more national-oriented xhibitions..."
][.mez][
says, "Scott>sure"
Sue
says, "Brooklyn, mez?"
Everdeen
says, "Mez, how long is Brooklyn exhibit?"
][.mez][
says, "Yup Sue, runs from Oct till June next year."
Scott_R
says, "All roads lead to Brooklyn"
][.mez][
says, "Eheh EVD i also have pre-cognitive esp;)"
][.mez][
says, "[joke]"
Everdeen
says, "It's that time zone advantage you have!"
Everdeen
grins
][.mez][
says, "Must b:)"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Say it again, Scott"
Everdeen
says, "(but then u gnu I was gonna :)"
][.mez][
says, "N.deed;)"
Sue
says, "we have 5 minutes to go --"
Sue
says, "Any closing statements?"
late_guest
quietly enters.
][.mez][
says, "Http://www.nunatinnit.net/en/forum/index.html.
That's my closing statement: 2 look @ this site...its amazing"
Sue
says, "Can you imagine doing a project all together in
all your languages?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "THAT WOULD BE GREAT! (sorry) enthusiasm"
][.mez][
says, "EVD>>sure "
Everdeen
says, "Sue absolutely!"
Scott_R
says, "That would be cool. How did that EU train project
work out?"
Sue
says, "I don't know actually"
][.mez][
says, "Yup sure, absolutely"
Sue
says, "I never saw the ending of it"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Mez, do you know how we say @ in Brazil?"
Sue
says, "Btw for those who may not have seen it"
][.mez][
says, "Nope lucio, tell me:)"
Sue
says, "we have done a 3 language site - Eng., Finnish,
Swedish"
][.mez][
says, "X.cellent sue"
Sue
shares a URL. (http://www.migratingmemories.net)
Everdeen
EaVesdrops on lucio and mez
Lucio_Agra
says, "@ is arroba (pronounce as it is written)!"
Sue
says, "Oh mez this Inuit site - I've seen it - great!"
Everdeen
says, "ARROBA ARRIBA!"
late_guest
has disconnected.
The
housekeeper arrives to remove late_guest.
Frasca
says, ""Same in Spanish, arroba!""
][.mez][
says, "Arroba, that's great....ar][gh][roba...ar.][red][rob][es][a...."
Margaret
says, "I saw the Inuit site too until Migrating Memories
wiped it out"
Sue
says, "Sorry margaret"
Everdeen
says, "A rob Ah is a rob AH!"
Margaret
says, "Excellent sites both"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Great Everdeen!"
Scott_R
says, "Thanks Sue. Looks like a great project."
][.mez][
says, "Yeas sue, sums up most of the energy and wonder
of a global inter.action via the net.wurk....very poignant stuff..."
Sue
says, "well, let's look at making a multilingual site"
Sue
says, "For a start, people could contribute to our home
project"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Sue, I suggest we share e-mails to take it forward..."
Sue
shares a URL. (http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/home/)
][.mez][
says, "Sure sue!!! lets make it a trAce project..i'm very
keen:)"
Margaret
says, "Lucio_Agra I hope you consider working on a visual
language that can beread by people using differing grammars
and vocabularies"
Sue
says, "You can write in there in any language - but it
would be good to have something a bit slicker perhaps"
][.mez][
says, "4 sure sue...."
Lucio_Agra
says, "Sure, Margaret"
Everdeen
says, "Something very ton[gue]y"
][.mez][
says, "Heh EVD:)"
Sue
says, "Sure - what say you Scott?"
Scott_R
says, "I'll write some stuff."
Scott_R
says, "But I'm stuck in English"
Sue
says, "I can speak not very much of several languages!"
Everdeen
says, "And are muricahns still invited.....:winks::"
Sue
says, "I guess we just have to let go our inhibitions :)"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Sue, let me see if I understood... we post some
answer at the url you opened?"
Sue
says, "Yes - in any language"
Everdeen
says, "Sue, what about considering expanding title on page....to
include casa..."
Sue
says, "Its a simple beginning but really we should do something
more complex"
Everdeen
says, "Etc ktl"
Sue
says, "Casa -of course!"
Sue
says, "Lets think on it"
Everdeen
smiles at Sue
tomb
says, "There are translation programs and some of them
are good. The postal art site is multilingual and there are
now some others."
Sue
says, "Ah wait!"
Scott_R
says, "It would be interesting to have some kind of shared
plotline or narrative thread."
Everdeen
says, "Mi casa is su casa Sue"
Sue
says, "We have someone working for us as a volunteer.."
Sue
says, "He is building a translation resource."
Sue
says, "Give me a month and it will be ready."
Margaret
says, "But what about your moat, Everdeen"
Everdeen
says, "I can draw a bridge faster than any dentist!"
][.mez][
says, "Scott that sounds wurkable"
Sue
says, "I agree Scott"
Sue
says, "A journey would be the obvious one"
Everdeen
says, "What about fire? Tongues of fire?"
Sue
says, "Like the unknown's
book tour!"
Everdeen
says, "Passing along...linguistically"
Scott_R
says, "Still on it."
Everdeen
says, "From the hearth..the home...the casa"
Scott_R
says, "Neverending."
Sue
says, "I can imagine Scott!"
Everdeen
says, "From the bakery the foundry the laundry."
tomb
says, "Farewell, all."
Lucio_Agra
says, "A jour ...ney a one-day journey..."
Everdeen
says, "Farewell tomb"
Sue
says, "I have to go"
Margaret
says, "All still stuck in the Romance languages"
Everdeen
smiles...must be resurrection time
Sue
says, "Do feel free to contribute to Home"
][.mez][
says, "Speaking in tongues EVD?"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Tchau, Sue, that was great!"
Sue
says, "But scott we can talk about a special project"
][.mez][
says, "Cya sue and all:) great chat..."
Sue
says, "This is Deena's doing -Ii am just standing in."
Sue
says, "Thanks to all for coming"
Everdeen
says, "Oh mez ich soy uno confused mujere bien sur"
Scott_R
says, "Thanks Sue, everyone. I'd love to Sue. Hats off
to Deena! as always."
Margaret
says, "Bye"
Everdeen
says, "Bye Sue"
Scott_R
has disconnected.
The
housekeeper arrives to remove Scott_R.
Sue
says, "Buenos dias"
Sue
says, "Buenos noches"
Sue
says, "Dag"
Margaret
has disconnected.
Sue
has disconnected.
Everdeen
says, "Buenas noches"
Lucio_Agra
says, "Boa noite, fellows"
Everdeen
says, "Night snake of dreams, Lucio y suenos de oro"
Frasca
has disconnected.
The
housekeeper arrives to remove Frasca.
Lucio_Agra
says, "It is still early to sleep here, Everdeen but thanks
any way"
Everdeen
says, "Ah yes Lucio...and here too...but you always have
light with you, eh?"
Everdeen
grins and waves
Lucio_Agra
Almost crying with so many gentle words
Everdeen
says, "Lacrimas de Lucio lambently glistening"
][.mez][
has disconnected.
The
housekeeper arrives to remove ][.mez][.
Lucio_Agra
has disconnected.
The
housekeeper arrives to remove Lucio_Agra.
Everdeen
tiptoes out.
Everdeen
goes home.
The
housekeeper arrives to cart Margaret off to bed.
The
housekeeper arrives to cart Sue off to bed.
tomb
has disconnected.
The
housekeeper arrives to remove tomb.
NOTE: Sue
would like to add:
Translation Information request -- Sam Dobbin has kindly volunteered
to create a Writers' Translation Resource at trAce. He is collecting
information about web-based machine translators; dictionaries,
and other tools. He would like to receive recommendations of
useful sites relevant to this area, and is especially keen to
include a wide range of languages and character sets. Please
send recommendations for inclusion to him direct at sam@fitzbitz.co.uk
as soon as possible. (Please note that we cannot guarantee we
will be able to use all urls sent to us.)
--
End log: Sunday, August 19, 2001 4:08:51 pm CDT
