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Guidelines To Mezangelling

• Be prepared to play and swim within/without wurds, n-joy finding their breakage points, revel N there innate divisionz and fractures in2 other words n meanings.
• Use computer/mathematical conventions liberally and subversively [indicate fracture or mangle points with a dot, wurds like <for> and <too> mangle in2 the numeric <4> or <2>. Use network elements in your discourse such as emoticons <;)> condensing words <r u there?> etc.]
• Learn to love the square bracket, humor, and confusion. Use the square bracket to indicate a jump into another meaning mode/ whether that be through implicating a gender discrepancy; indicating an additional sense state/loading, or just playing around with letters <lettah[!]s>.
• Condense letters into their phonetic counterparts - <in> or <and> becomes <N>, <are> becomes <r>, <u> = <you> or <ewe>. Use these liberally within words; <express> becomes <x-press>, <issues> becomes <s-sues>, etc.
• Switch/encourage double/triple meanings through common associations and phrases; <manifest> becomes <[wo]manifest>; <other> becomes <ot.her[e N there]> through a link via other meaning and allusions <out-her-here-and-there>.

Session Start: Sun Feb 27 20:50:51 2000

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<Loki93c_> good evening Helen

<mez> ello all!:)

<Loki93c_> good evening All

<Helen_Whitehead> Good evening Loki, mez!

* mez does a txtdance round the tabelle;)

<mez> how u doing helen? loki?

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<Sue> Hi everyone!

<mez> loki>>mi aim for this chat is to get ideers and textlinez flying...so go crazee with the action linez if u like:)

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<Loki93c_> hi Sue

<Sue> welcome mez - there's quite a crowd waiting to talk with you

<Alan_Sondheim> Hi everyone -

<mez> heya sue!! <mez> hey alan:)

<Loki93c_> alan....:-))

<Sue> hi alan

<Alan_Sondheim> Hi -

<Alan_Sondheim> Mez, I gotta question - could I ask it early -

<mez> sure alan, go 4 it....

<Alan_Sondheim> How do you relate your abbreviated writing / etc/ style to say integer/m9ndfukc and hackers stuff on IRC (warez channels etc.) -

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<mez> het reiner:)

<Sue> -alan can she answer that when we have started?

<reiner> hellooooo

<Alan_Sondheim> Jawohl

<Sue> hi reiner

<mez> ooh k alan i'll wait till we're all here, then can u ask that qz again [itz a good 1;)]

<reiner> :) - hi alan

<Alan_Sondheim> Hi Reiner

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<Sue> hi margaret

<mez> hey marg:)

<Loki93c_> Hi

<mez> ;)

<Loki93c_> 1 of 8

<Sue> helen once did pictures of all of us as the borg

<Helen_Whitehead> yes i must recycle that one..

<Sue> where did those pics go helen? they were hilariuous

<mez> sue>>yeah? musta been cool....wood luv 2 c it...

<Sue> margaret thats the week i get back - dont forget to tell us

<Helen_Whitehead> http://ds.dial.pipex.com/h.whitehead/trace.htm

<Sue> helen i know nenagh and rachael are planning to join us

<mez> helen>>will we weightte a l'tle yet b4 startin the chat in earn.est?

<Helen_Whitehead> let's c Eff any1 ells arrives

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<Sue> oh look at that url! its a hoot!

<mez> wow helen gets primary prize 1 for her mezangelled ah-temptz sew far:)

<Alan_Sondheim> As the size of participants grows, so do the number of hellos, we could make a formula out of this probably n(n-1) - Alan - that would be reciprocated, times 2

<Sue> helen can i post that url at webboard? its a killer

<Alan_Sondheim> 112...

<Helen_Whitehead> feel free Sue!

<mez> ehehheheheehheh great url....;)

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<Helen_Whitehead> hi Rachael

* mez teztflippes and frizzonflies...makez the weighting thyme go quikah:)

<Helen_Whitehead> look{I,eye}ing Fore.ward 2 chat{bell}ting

<Loki93c_> lol

<mez> ;)

<Rachael__Field> :>)

<Alan_Sondheim> 180

<reiner> 404

<mez> flip 180 degreez alan?;)

<Alan_Sondheim> no, 10*9*2

<reiner> 360

<Helen_Whitehead> OK, shall we start? Would you like to ask yr question again Alan?

<mez> reiner phoar oh! fore

<Sue> helen can we do a country check?

<Alan_Sondheim> Everyone says hello and everyone reciprocates

<Loki93c_> E=Mc2 x Hello n{n-1]

<Loki93c_> or summthing

<Helen_Whitehead> okay, everyone say where they are....(country)

<Sue> thank you Helen - UK

<reiner> D

<Rachael__Field> England

<Helen_Whitehead> UK

<mez> juzt b4 we start....

<Helen_Whitehead> sorry - mez?

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<mez> i juzt wanna n-courage a phew thingz thru the chat session

<mez> the first being the use of action phrazes

<mez> hey miekal!!

<reiner> europe

<mez> i mean if any1 wants to use an action to x-press themselves, type "/me" without the quote symbols

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<Sue> ok mez

* Helen_Whitehead nods at mez

<Alan_Sondheim> The question is this - Mez, how do you relate your writing style to, say, m9ndfukc (integer), as well as hacking lingo on IRC (warez channels, etc.) - how is your style different? for example. With integer, not only the politics, but the style can be so difficult to read that if I'm skimming I tend to skip over it. -

* reiner likes that

<mez> x-cellent, i'm sure u'll all geddit as the chat goes on...also, if ppl don't respond 2 yr actionz, keep trying.

* Margaret_Penfold jumps

<mez> ok, on wiff the chat!

<Helen_Whitehead> as Alan said...

<reiner> long time before

<mez> alan>>i think my styelle relatez to the n-teger type style in it's play on codes n conventions, and a hacka s-sethic, though the primary use of strict rulez is different, and politically not so stratified...

<Alan_Sondheim> - I see - there are also less integers/symbols in your style it seems?

<Helen_Whitehead> Does it take ppl long{short.wide} to l-earn your st-isle

<Alan_Sondheim> Did it develop online?

<mez> ooh yeah, another thing, use fruedian typosh thru the chat..if some1 makes a mezstake, tri and develop it in2 a theme, new wurd etc...

* Loki93c_ interested

<Alan_Sondheim> And for that matter can your style - or any other - be learned by someone else? Would we all want to write in the Joyce of Finnigans Wake?

<Helen_Whitehead> there's an intro to how to do this mezangelling at webboard

<mez> alan>>i've used moore orw lezz symbolz, though it seems to res.strict my flow if i B.cum 2 deep.endant on them...

<Alan_Sondheim> Did you develop this online, after being on line, or were you heading in this direction before? Could you say something about your background?

* reiner i have to speak it in my head to understand

<Nenagh__Watson> Mez your words are like music

<Sue> reiner - since it is your second language it must be even harder

<Helen_Whitehead> it {rich}seams to B a lateral thinking type of lingo-language

* Loki93c_ just writes whats in his head......lol

<mez> helen>>doezzn't take long 2 learn, the style can b bro.ke[e]n down in2 componentz, n alan i don't think i want ppl to m-ulate mi style in and ov itzelf but find their own ee-quivahlent, thru x-perimentation etc

* Helen_Whitehead claps

* mez thinks loki is very much on the rite plane, trac[t]k, vein...

<Loki93c_> good 2 share a genre though

<Rachael__Field> `u`

<Sue> mez, i just wish we could hear you say it

<Karen_Wheatley> :agrees with Sue

* reiner thinks loki is a god - with a hammer

<Helen_Whitehead> let's get back{ground} to the start[beginning.end] what is your creative background before the Net?

<mez> nenagh>>thanx 4 the music comparison, nice aN ape.propriate methinks...alan>> my background?>>

<mez> ?] when asked this i always zeem to wonder which bac[k!].ground shood i trot out, which version ov miself i'll end up purr.pet.u.ating thru teXt...

<Alan_Sondheim> Mez how did you develop this? And what is your earlier background - yes, writing, etc.?

<reiner> reiner knows that mez can draw and paint

<mez> anywaze, i have a multithreaded cre[che]ative pazt, 1 replete with strainz ov twinedterror N purse.ceived angst....

<mez> i have alwaze x-pressivelee fed ov my e-mo[ve.mensez]tionz & knowledge basez, and have n-couraged the development of theze thru xperiental choicez; ...

* Loki93c_ sits up

<mez> i have academically ratified paperz, in Applied Social Science & Creative Arts - theze have been n-teresting, but onlee fuel my creativitee in miniscule...[i think?]....

* mez handz loki a funnelle juzt for the hell ov it:)

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<Loki93c_> :-)0

<mez> my reel motivation & bacground is absorption of information, both sensualli and concretelee, and play [x-pressive play and x-pe[t]ri[dish]mentation] is crucial as well....

<mez> heya ircuser:)

<Alan_Sondheim> say more about petri dish?

<mez> a bendin of the s-tablished, the known, 2 create [ore ah-tempt 2 pro.duce] something other is wot i'm all about:)

<Sue> when you speak it, do you speak it as written, or do you never speak it>?

<mez> sue>>i've neva ahtemptted 2 use mezangelle out loud, mebbe i shood!

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<Sue> if we meet, i insist you do!

<Alan_Sondheim> have you tried to give a text to the Mac to read? I did a poetry reading that way once

<Sue> well, when we meet - in the summer if not next month

<Sue> yes, give it to a text reader

<Sue> i suspect it would sound excellent in a text reader

<Margaret_Penfold> Is it a game that has taken over your life or do you only use the system online

<mez> marg>>i don't view it as ah game strictlee, butt N other waze i do....play is crucial 2 its 4ewelation...

<Loki93c_> would be interesting set 2 music/koans????

<mez> loki>>for shore, u wanna try it?[seriouslee]

<Loki93c_> yeah/absolutely

<Nenagh__Watson> It reminds me of Dada sound poems - these were spoken live -

<Margaret_Penfold> Play as in what children do which is important to understanding new concepts

* mez thinks she'll bcome schiz-oid if she triez to mezangelle out loud;)

* reiner thinks of two speakers

<Loki93c_> dub it over modem singing

<mez> aan>>yuppe done the reader thang, and the soundz pro.duced are really very weird and boot.ifull @ the same thyme...

<Sue> mez, when you come to incubation maybe we could arrange a mez jamming session

<mez> sue>>y knott?

* mez texttappz reiner on the head wiff a speak.her ore 2;)

<Sue> mez, do you handwrite it as well as type it?

<mez> sue>>nope, [g]no handwriting ov it as yet[i]....

<Helen_Whitehead> you see it as part of a multimedia approach to art though?

<mez> helen>>yup, i do c it azz a multimediamatic ape.proach, condensed in2 one medium purr,haps [that of writing, langue]...

<Helen_Whitehead> not just playing with words, but more an xperimiental approach to all your art?

* Helen_Whitehead thinks typos while trying to mezangelle make nonsense of the whole thing!

<Sue> ah, helen, so does mezangelling require good typing skills?

* mez agg.reez in itz current 4mulation, but mebbe another style will cum 4m this?

<Helen_Whitehead> yes i believe so

* Loki93c_ thinks it is already emergent

<Sue> say more loki

<Loki93c_> people r coming 2gether networld, fusions/inspiration

* mez kneelz b4 loki and hands them a textbannah, re.plete with golden wurds of mezangellednezz and new blank wurd spacez....

* Loki93c_ blushes

* reiner thinks does mez look like an mez_angEle

* Sue loves these people

<mIEKAL> MEZ, did you ever read ee cummings when you were young?

<mIEKAL> or bill bissett from canada?

* mez getzz n m-mage of her.s[h]elf fragmented, nodic in thread based seg.ments, hair N eyes and nose mixed in2 a cybercubist ren.durr.ing...

<mez> miekal>>nope, onlee came across eecummings in the text 3 yrs agao...still ahven't read much, but keep gettin told i shood...

<mIEKAL> yr relanguaging of language reminds me of a cross of those two.

<mez> helen>>funnilee enuff, thizz piece wazn't written x-clusive.lee for frame, but came from the urge 2 n-tee-grate an old[h]er text snippette with flash capabilitiez...

* reiner wannanot be clOned even as an angle

* Loki93c_ sends in the KloneS

<Alan_Sondheim> Mez, also check out Hannah Weiner - Jack Kimball has written on her (she's dead now) - there are other similarities -

<mez> m>.sorri haven't heard of bill biss, u got some ewe rr ellez?

* reiner KloneS against cloWnEs

<Helen_Whitehead> mez, yr peace in frAme was called Angellzz.... cn U tell US about[in] that?

<Helen_Whitehead> Angelz had a science angle, as has other of yr owrk: is this n OBsession 4U?

<mez> mi the.ma[nic]tic obsess.eye.ON with science az a[h] sphere of info that kneedz 2 b constantlee qz.ioned comez thru in thizz piece, but with a much softah n-flection than i wood normally take...

<Rachael__Field> :>) (<:

<mez> ...i think the symbolic nature of azz-ociating cheribbes N love symbolicks with-N a completely different conceptual frame[4]wurk made Christy verve 2wards itz n-clusion...

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* mez hurdz reiner n loki 2gether, grabs some pinpricked blood from each n cree.atez a reinahlok!![reiner/loki clownklone]

<Sue> hi e

<Helen_Whitehead> U ewes many technoloGEEs in yr wurk: do u think we haff to Xperiment with technology as well as 4m?

<reiner> hi E.

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<Sue> helen i like that question

<Alan_Sondheim> Hi Beth

<Loki93c_> see aboVe.....:-))

<mez> knott ness.E.celery helen, i think if x-perimentation with technotoolz is yr thang, go 4 it, and wood n-courage it, but x-perimentation can take mai 4ms, many differ.inge shapez and contoosians...

<Rachael__Field> :>)

* mez has a r-l sistah ca[u]lled elixabeth, but she getz called libbie:)

<Beth_Garrison> :o) hello all, and now i will 'listen"

* reiner --- thinks about whether mez is thinking mezangelled

<Helen_Whitehead> Yr Flash is eggs-cellent mez i'm jellus!

<Margaret_Penfold> Doo-yoo fee al clow ser 2 uthers wen yoo tongue type?

* mez wants beth 2 play azz well as listen, takes her by her textsenze and tickelles her wurdfiltahz...

<elizabeth> eye was curled Libby at infant school & re.fused to answer 2 it...

<Beth_Garrison> beth laughs, hats off to Mez..

* Loki93c_ recalls loosing shadow at school of black arts.....lol

<mez> reiner>>hmmMMMM...dunno how my brain flazhes and poppz, but i think i do the mezangelled mixing in a moment b-tween thought N feeling, not all.2gether con.c-ous.lee

* elizabeth wonders what tongue typing is!

<mIEKAL> I missed something about "actions" when I first came in.

<Alan_Sondheim> in a very weird way it reminds me of speed thinking, amphetmines, like Ted Berrigan's The Sonnets

<mez> meikal....to do actions, type "/me" followed bi the action [wiffout the quote markz]:)

<reiner> feeling mezangelled - confuses me i think

* mIEKAL catapults linguistic caterwaul

* Alan_Sondheim is followed by the action and can't get rid of it... *sob*

<mez> marg>>anne.swering yr qz about whether mezangelling makes me pheel closer to otherz? mebbe if they get wot i'm say.inge, yesh....

<Margaret_Penfold> tiping the wae 1s tongue goes not by spelling

* Rachael__Field smiles

<Helen_Whitehead> it's not just phone{TV}etick tho'

* mez doezzn't blast away with chemicals but n-joyz the add.drena.line rushez of wurdstuntz....

<Helen_Whitehead> Do you do much collaboration mez?

<Beth_Garrison> mez, have u done any collabs sinz the 1 with talan?

<elizabeth> Thx Marg(erine)et.

<Margaret_Penfold> so it fulfils the function of a closed group language

<mez> helen>>i think co.llab[ore.[r]atory]ing izz the artistic mode ov the future...a wonderfull way 2 wurk...

<Loki93c_> like komix, u do the art, i do the inks

<mez> beth>>have a phew in the works with jim andrews and dan weber...shood be great...

<Rachael__Field> mez who do you collaborate with?

<Beth_Garrison> wahOO! cant wait!

<Helen_Whitehead> ...or letts ju{dge}st see wot gells -- thatz collaboration!

<elizabeth> There's collaboration by dividing function and collaboration bysharing all functions...

<Loki93c_> lol

<Beth_Garrison> seems that every collab differs..

<mez> racheal>> i collaborate with al n sun.dree, thizz is a collab in a senze, mani great ideers flowin round here....

<Sue> mez, here's a standard interview question - what kind of creative stuff did you do as a child?

<mez> sue>>creatiff stuph azz a child/ i moztlee read, played with my petz, was veri quite as a child..ab.sorbed and thort [ mebbe 2 much]..then b-came a blabbermouth...my dad peformz a type of mezangelling, makez up funny wurdz and rimez, mebbe i'm n-flooened bi that 2...

<mez> oopz n-flooenced i mean...

<Sue> mez, thats interesting - was it the kind of 'nonsense' rhyme stuff?

<mIEKAL> did you learn to read by phonics?

<Rachael__Field> cat in the hat

<Beth_Garrison> but Mez' language is very formal..

<Nenagh__Watson> green eggs and ham!!!

<Loki93c_> run

<Beth_Garrison> do, run

<Beth_Garrison> thats run dog run..

<Loki93c_> & run faster son!!!!!!!!!

<mez> sue>>no, more x-tnedin wurds and wurd ppuns...my grandfather did it 2, subbing "sticklip" for "lipstick" etc...

<Helen_Whitehead> mez, you m-N-shunned{abandoned} there are ROOLs for mezangelling. Could you let us N on them?

<Sue> mez, that is almost a kind of dyslexia

<Sue> turning things around, reversals etc

<elizabeth> 'malapropism'?

<mez> miekal>>nope, read normally, but used mi m-maginative po[m].tential more than mozt pozz[um]iblee?

<Margaret_Penfold> No one learnt by that phonic symbol scheme? can't remember the name .Wasn't a success any way

* reiner - mezangles have double/triple meaning

<mez> my rulez for mezangelling>>....seriouslee, my mezangelle practice means to take the written wurd/wurdstringz/sentencez/ and alter it/them in such a way as to x-tend and n-hance meaning B-yond the predicted, the x-pected

* mez hugs reiner and produces stringz of silver polysemics, running them thru her wordfingers and passing them to reiner...

<Loki93c_> i'm all 4 that

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<Nenagh__Watson> I waz thinkin about dyslexia - it should be viewed as liberation - but people get so inflexable and 'straight' about language - what ever happened to punk!

<mez> nenagh>>4 sure!! punk it up bebbe!;)

<mIEKAL> oops

* Loki93c thinks cyberverse needs a few punks in it 4 local colour

<Nenagh__Watson> I get so depressed for my students - seeing um go through the system!!!

<mez> Itz like makin plain text hypertextual by the arrangement N die-sectin of wurds. 4 x-ample, this very sentence - mi juggling of the use of a noo-merical symbol "4" as the wurd "for" may lead a reader/viewer to have to jump between the usual N the unusual...

<Alan_Sondheim> Mez, but isn't there also a different level of expectation you create - for example "purr" in place of "per" - so that the style becomes heavily depending on puns and associations inherent in the original words?

<mez> alan...de[a]finatelee....

<mez> or purr.hapz mi mixing and slicing of the termz "purr" for the beginning of the word "perhapz" [purr linkz 2 a state of animal contentment, pleasure, and a more acoustic lilt, giving flavour to N otherwise non-performative wurd]. I sup[per]poze its my a-tempt at offering an x-panded de[a]finition of meaningz, of n-couraging otherz 2 make the very unitz of textual communication dance & flip within their traditional funckt.ional para[mount]meterz...

<Alan_Sondheim> But how do you expand beyond those assonances / consonances / puns entirely?

<mez> mezangelleing izz ... itz also political in some senzez, as i can splice mi own opinionated views in2 theze altered texttractz via the layering [e.g.g addin a gender equal message with my additions of [wo] to [wo]man.ifest

<Helen_Whitehead> plenty of cyberpunks already

<Loki93c_> true, but few exist in all 3 worlds

<Loki93c_> neuroVerse, cyberVerse, here & hard

<mez> alan>> its a fluid pro.cess, i link and jump azz i c fitt i zoopose, runn wurdz round n bac and thru again...

<Alan_Sondheim> I see - and what is neuroVerse Loki?

<Loki93c_> the wetware in my head thatfires my inner universe

* mez handz loki a nuromancer gunn and shotz them full of gibsonite bitz;)

<Rachael__Field> mez it is like you are mixing like a dj

<elizabeth> Maches me feel very slow...

<Alan_Sondheim> One thing I noticed - Mez is an incredibly fast typist!

<mez> racheal>>u got it, sampelling and re:mixing as i go...

<elizabeth> Mez you must also be an incredibly fast thinker

<Nenagh__Watson> neuroVerse goes straight into the blood stream -

<mIEKAL> it was great fun collaborating on speed factory with you...except for the time differences.

<mez> mIEKAL>>shore was, luvved that speedfack.tori deal, we shood do it again soma thyme juzt 4 fun...

<Rachael__Field> a fast word mixer

* reiner mes is not simpalling

<Helen_Whitehead> We're vairy keen on journals[diaries.process] at trAce; Eye wunder do U keep a Journal/record of wurk[flow] mez N eff sew - is it N mezangelle {non}language?

<Loki93c_> & in2 fingers tips then 2 pc 2 www to ur brain/bloodstream

<Loki93c_> so my atoms r linked 2 urs

* mez givez loki a vezzel, firez it up within her multiVerse then whistlezz 2 it to go 2 loki's packettepatch...

<mez> . i tri to keep a journal, but find it difficult; i now use my outbox as a diary and great resource, it dubblez as ah journal of sortz. i do, howeva, tri to write constantlee; ....

* mIEKAL waits patiently for software to disapper.

<mez> whether it be sitting on a bus [N later in the librari] scrawlinge out the B-ginnings of Sky Scratches [my collaborative piece with Talan Memmott], 2 form.ewe.latin new wurdz and scribbling them in2 random textfilez D-signed 4 this veri purr.pos[s]e....

* reiner drinks a bit of read vine

<Helen_Whitehead> Can U giff us the U our {H}ell for Sky scratches?

* mIEKAL reads a bit of red wine

<mez> beth>>dunno if eye'm a quik thinker, mebbe i d-[N-]veloped it bi use of chat channellez where u havta type quik or u looze the thread??

* Alan_Sondheim whines

<Nenagh__Watson> Mez do u reuse words - boot.iful is great -

<mez> nenagh>>yuppe i re;ooze wurdz all the time..

<Sue> mez have you done much MOOing? your text could be made real in a MOO

* Margaret_Penfold wines a bit of read

<Rachael__Field> is it important for ppl to have their hands on a keyboard to feel connected

<mez> sky scratches url:http://www.temporalimage.com/beehive/content_apps25/skyscratchez.html

* Sue rines a bit of weed

* Karen weds a red bit

<Helen_Whitehead> or th'r feet....

* elizabeth kneads a bit of redefine

* mez runez a bit of rhetoric[k];)

* reiner s glass is empty - now

<mez> sue>> N regardz to mooing, i used to purrform wot i take now as MOOIng on normal irc channellez, so i guezz i have done MOOIng juzt knott in the x-pected sense[ologee]....

<elizabeth> run reiner run

<elizabeth> sorry!

<Margaret_Penfold> An interesting evening and thank you Mez. I am sorry I have to go now

<mIEKAL> my irc client is asking for $20 every 30 secs...

<mez> mIEKAL>>>WOT???? that's ridiculous!!

<elizabeth> don't give 'em a penny miekal!

<mez> bye marg, thanx;)

<Sue> mez, i would love to see what you could build in a MOO

<Sue> bye margaret

<Helen_Whitehead> wood U N-courage writers moving{xperimenting} in thiss new medium to learn by trial'N'error or get train{learn}ing or use specifiCK program{me}es?

<Alan_Sondheim> bye...

<Helen_Whitehead> bye marg c u soon

<Alan_Sondheim> Helen, the UN definitely courages writers...

<Loki93c_> bye Margaret

<mez> sue>>me 2, when i have the thyme i'll givit a go[ah!]:)

* reiner says good bye

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<Helen_Whitehead> bye reiner thanx 4 cumin!

<Alan_Sondheim> There may be riots here, gotta go for a bit - Alan

<mez> hmm....itz strange, coz i'm largelee self taught in this field, i suppose i'd n-courage new writers 2 be lezz concerned with the capturing the format of their creative vision as ah rigid goal, rather to go with the [w]ebb n flow of wot they find in their ownne net.wurk x-perience and facktor that inn...

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* Loki93c_ agrees

* mez tanx reiner and goodbizz him

<Helen_Whitehead> Shall we mesh N gel loosely now?

<mez> i'd n-courage ppl 2 juzt play for a bit, whether it B via email, or photoshop, or dreamweaver, or icq, or none of these, whether itz in yr own grey matta, don't b too d[r]efined earli on.....

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<mez> helen>>mebbe let ppl action each other, if they'd like....

* Helen_Whitehead claps mez

* elizabeth hear hears

* Karen applauds

* mez grabs helen's klappz and holds em tight, treasurin...

<Nenagh__Watson> mez ave u any published stuff eye could read???

<Sue> thanks mez - fascinating!

* mez brethez in karen's klappz 2, melding and shaping and moldin...

* Helen_Whitehead grins, ear 2 {h}ear

<mez> sue>>wanna play 4 a bit? jump in2 the ack.shion narrative...

<Sue> mez, i am braindead tonight :(

<Helen_Whitehead> ack-shuns spik Louder thN wurds...

<Sue> a voyeur only this evening

<mez> nenagh>>yuppe look at my online resume, lotza linkz from there: http://wollongong.starway.net.au/~mezandwalt/resume2.htm

<Beth_Garrison> the action narrative...yeah!

<Helen_Whitehead> Y braindead Soo?

* mIEKAL disembowels me computer

<Nenagh__Watson> Sue worx 2 ard

<mez> sue>>k, sure:)

<Sue> miekal what are you doing to your machine?

* Helen_Whitehead has several mez-recommended sites to add 2 the Log when it goes on the webpage

<Beth_Garrison> gutting it...?

* mIEKAL narrates a universe without software dysfunction

* elizabeth wishes for miekal a lovely sensation of fresh air through the computer's middle

* mez pics and pokes at the putergutz, lookin for a cybersoul...arggh....onlee metal bytez and bites [ouch!!]:)

* mIEKAL a simpler kinder provocation

<Helen_Whitehead> at least Miekalz still{but not quiet} hear

<Karen> I'd better go I'm afraid - get on with some work. Thanks Mez.

<Helen_Whitehead> bye karen c u again

* mez watchez beth's wish turn 2 a list turn 2 a link....

* Karen waves

* Loki93c_ still enjoying playing on the net, childlike wonder of it all

<Sue> bye karen'

<mez> cya karen, thanx:)

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<Sue> loki - yes i love the childlike wonder of it

<Helen_Whitehead> Better announz next wk...

<Helen_Whitehead> Alan Sondheim by bye party!

<Beth_Garrison> mez is reading my mind..bless u.

<Loki93c_> its vast, i love the possibities on offer

<Helen_Whitehead> If he survives the riots..... we can come and say nice things to hi about his six months

* mez starts wrapping it up, grabbin the wirds, the snippettes azz they tri 2 esc-ape into the tracetextualnezz....

<mez> beth>>:)

<Sue> in a sense mez'a languagae can maybe only be understood by the wired

<Beth_Garrison> :o)<my clown face, Mez

<Sue> do you think thats true?

* elizabeth holds her finger on the bow for mez

<mez> hey, juzt wanna thanx u all sew much for participatin...was great fun. if any1 wants to collab, write me[z]!

<Sue> do you think thats true?

<Helen_Whitehead> mmmm intrESSting ideya

<Sue> oops

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<Sue> thanks for coming mez - and i hope to see you soon!

<Beth_Garrison> oh, sue i have to diagree, have you read bill bissett?

<Sue> beth,no i hadnt heard of him until tonight

<mez> ooh hey PbH! we where juzt about to call it a wrappe!

<mIEKAL> beth, I mentioned bill bissett a half hour ago.

<Sue> but i am thinking of the flavour of her references

<Beth_Garrison> oh, Mez, thank you so much for doing this !

<Rachael__Field> :>) :>) :>) thangst mez

<PbN> Hi Mez... all...

<Nenagh__Watson> Mez thanxxxxxxx a lot - look forward 2 flesh up @ inq -bation - byhi all - must exit

<mIEKAL> ted yr here just in time to mop up

<mez> sue>mebbe yeah, B-inge wired allowz 4 the conventionz of mezangelled-nezz 2 b easier uberstood i guezz?

* Loki93c_ has found it v.interesting

<Helen_Whitehead> mez I MUSST collaborate sometime - all thiss is wyrd 4 a born{strict} editor!

<Beth_Garrison> bill has created his own universe with his language..also has

<Sue> bye nenagh and rachael

<Beth_Garrison> a site on the web, hes not wired tho.

<Sue> see you sson

<Helen_Whitehead> do you have a URL beth?

<Sue> ok beth i will look him up, thanx

<PbN> yeb, sorry... real life...

<mIEKAL> bissett also ran a press call blewointment press which published a lot of canadian experimental work

<Sue> pbn real life? what kind of excuse is that?

* mez remindz loki of there wurdsmithian n-tention and blows kiltakizzes;)

<Sue> i have to go too - sleep!! - but thanks a lot mez

<R_Adams> thanks mez (following this chat and browsing your various pages at the same time) what fun!!!

<Helen_Whitehead> Any last questions?

<mez> heya jim[bo!]

<Jim_Andrews> yo

<Jim_Andrews> How did it go?

<Beth_Garrison> its a bo and a yo...

<Helen_Whitehead> the log may be difficult to read!

<Jim_Andrews> It always is!

<mez> ehehe yup shore will hell-N:)

<mez> jim>.went well!!

<Helen_Whitehead> not mex but the rest of us attempting to go wit't'flow

<Beth_Garrison> yes, it will be, ask jim about that..

<Jim_Andrews> What were the highlights for you, Mez?

<mez> sorry u mi[e]zzed it jim, but the log will b n-turr-taining;)

<Jim_Andrews> Cool.

<mez> jim>>the play...we did some action narratiff play, ooh i luv that...

<Beth_Garrison> but there is a certain freedom and flash association to it..

<Jim_Andrews> Action narrative play?

<Beth_Garrison> yes..it rocks..!

<Beth_Garrison> but you have to know the function(i dont)

<Jim_Andrews> So everyone participates in writing a narrative during the chat?

* Helen_Whitehead thinks we should try it again without any interview

<Jim_Andrews> There were these seven people in a little boat adrift in the ocean and sometimes a big wave would come along and someone would fall out.

<Beth_Garrison> c u . Mez. and thanks.

<mez> http://wollongong.starway.net.au/~mezandwalt

<Helen_Whitehead> thanx

* mez floats in2 a smooth shine ball of wurdz, spinning slowlee then frant.tick-tocklee, then bam! gone;)

<Beth_Garrison> :o)

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Session Close: Sun Feb 27 22:20:20 2000

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More from mez

Q. Are there any websites you particularly recommend for artistic merit/interest?

A. oh yeah, heaps, but here's a condensed lizt:

1._o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o.org: amazing tapestried colour fieldz done with text/lettahz at itz base, juzt stunning...

2._http://sysx.org/gashgirl/ 1 ov the meme.burr[!]s of VNS Matrix as solo gashgirl, some great femmeish-angst-hypertextz here.

3._trAce_ have 2 n-clude it, purely becoz it pervades all thoze netwurked l-ements i think an online community shood have, with some amazing collaborative f-fortz etc etc [i'll shuddup now;)]

4._re-lab.net_ some luverly sound stuff happening here, with a great ahcoustic mailing list [xchange] coming from this.....

Q. What advice would you give to a writer just starting to explore and experiment with the Web as tool and medium?

A. hmm....itz strange, coz i'm largelee self taught in this field, i suppose i'd n-courage new writers 2 be lezz concerned with the capturing the format of their creative vision as ah rigid goal, rather to go with the [w]ebb n flow of wot they find in their ownne net.wurk x-perience and facktor that in, juzt play for a bit, whether it B via email, or photoshop, or dreamweaver, or icq, or none of these, whether itz in yr own grey matta, don't b too d[r]efined earli on.....

Q. Do you think there is a living, or any money at all, to be made for creative writers on the Web? Do you have any recommendations for anyone trying to work in this field?

A. i haven't done 2 badlee outta my netwurked art so far, but bi no means can survive in an every-living-cost senze fromme it; it izz ah genre that is 'hot' @ the moment, n as the net becomez more an ackcepted medium & cultural node it will hopefulli all.ow[!] for this e-ventualli. i think it still is x-ceedingly difficult to get financial rewards x-clusively for art projects that aren't funding according to the hierarchical arts network, however. depending on yr n-tegritty outlook, itz possible to use yr multimediatic talents to create corporate products with a more mainstream focus [ such as advertsising etc]...i don't do this, and hopefullli won't [yeah i know i'm purrpetuating the starving artist stereotype but sorry, that'z how it is;)], but mani cood juzt to be able to pay the rent, the lectricity bill, etc etc...my add.vice would B 2 trawl and netwurk & search N make yr own connections, x-periencez, opp.ore.tunities....

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